Photos by Kuba Ryniewicz
โI might just grab something that seems pertinent,โ says Richard Dawson before shuffling out of the screen on our Zoom call. He has been reading Ursula K. Le Guinโs Earthsea books, and feels that a passage from the authorโs introduction to the fifth instalment of the series, in which she discusses the wider commodification of the fantasy genre, might be relevant to our conversation about his new album The Ruby Cord. He returns holding an e-reader. โFor all our delight in the impermanent, the entrancing flicker of electronics, we also long for the unalterable, we cherish the old stories for their changelessness,โ he reads aloud. โPeople turn to the realms of fantasy for stability, ancient truths, immutable simplicitiesโฆ and the mills of capitalism provide them. Supply meets demand. Fantasy becomes a commodity, an industry.โ
He continues reading: โCommodified fantasy takes no risks, it invents nothing but imitates and trivialises. It proceeds by depriving the old stories of their intellectual and ethical complexity, turning their action to violence, their actors to dolls, their truth-telling to sentimental platitude.โ He skips ahead a bit. โWhat the commodifiers of fantasy count on and exploit is the imagination of the reader, child or adult, which gives even dead things a life of a sort [โฆ] Imagination can be co-opted and degraded but it survives commercial and didactic exploitation. The land outlasts the empires, the conquerors may leave desert where there was forest and meadow, but the rain will fall.โ
He’s visibly enraptured by Le Guinโs words as he speaks, โI could keep going and going,โ he says, before placing the e-reader down again with a newfound air of satisfaction. โMaybe I should just do all interviews like this,โ he laughs. He read that passage because he believes it articulates some of the themes of his new record more eloquently than he can in conversation, a record that is concerned at least in part with the way in which commodified fantasy worlds are increasingly thrust upon us, and how they have blurred the boundaries between what is real and what isnโt. Le Guin may have been writing about fantasy fiction, her ideas are applicable to virtual reality too. The Ruby Cord is set some time in the near future at a point when VR has become so prevalent in human lives that the recordโs protagonists regularly switch between two worlds.
Throughout The Ruby Cord it is unclear which scenes are from the โrealโ world, which are โvirtualโ, and which are an augmented mixture of the two. Itโs not clear whether the songs on the album build a picture of a single world, or are each snippets from alternate realities. Nor does it make explicit judgements on whether or not these technologies are good or evil. In his own life, Dawson says, experiences with virtual reality have revealed conflicting emotions. โItโs bold, itโs really exciting and interesting, but itโs also quite scary when you think about where itโs gonna go, and what effect it might have on us.โ Lyrics hint at some kind of apocalyptic event โ โAt the end I didnโt really comprehend that I was saying goodbye for the last time to all my friends and family, my only thought was flight from the mines,โ says the narrator of โThicker Than Waterโ as they wander beside a silent motorway in search of โmam and dadโs earthern vesselsโ โ but the specifics are kept hidden, both on the record and in our interview. In the past, he says heโs โgiven away far too muchโ about the explicit meaning of his songs. โIโm trying to be careful, I donโt want to explain what anythingโs about in terms of deliberate choices.โ

It was when he was working on his second LP The Glass Trunk in 2012, in large part based around stories from a scrapbook of seventeenth century newspaper clippings, that he first โstarted to get a sense of time not functioning in a straight line, different moments being close to each other that arenโt necessarily in sequence.โ Although in the earliest stages of writing The Ruby Cord he envisaged it as being set on a spaceship looking down upon the earth (an idea which remains in part on โMuseumโ, on which the human race is revisited in microcosm as a far-future exhibition โa dozen centuriesโ after their disappearance), it quickly became apparent that such an on-the-nose setting โwasnโt apt for the kinds of things I wanted to talk about. Thereโs a really fine line after which it just becomes The Matrix: The Musical.โ
Instead, the fantasy is more diffuse. The album is draped a fogginess, difficult to grasp onto but irresistible to wander into. It is dominated by first song โThe Hermitโ. The first quarter of this 41 minute epic is devoted to expansive instrumental atmosphere building โ arhythmic brushes of percussion and moody, winding riffs of guitar, the occasional fragmented flourish of stately harp or earthy violin. โI thought about that part as a video game on idle, just the most basic functions, the sunโs not up, the occasional animal skittering across,โ Dawson explains. It comes accompanied with a film directed by James Hankins. It was the filmmakerโs citing of Thai director Apichatpong Weerasethakul as an influence, much of whose work has been defined by a blurring of myth, dreams and subconscious with the everyday, that convinced Dawson he was the right person to make a visual partner to one of his most ambitious tracks to date.
Hankins was largely left to his own devices, but managed to strike the same balance between vagueness and intrigue that defines the music. โItโs dangerous with videos because you can either just describe whatโs happening in the song or else do something else that will distract. Itโs about trying to find a ground thatโs not going to hurt the song in any way, that doesnโt illustrate or explain but should still help deliver it,โ Dawson says. A viewer hoping to seek concrete information about the world of The Ruby Cord โ dates, lore, plot, etcetera โ will be disappointed. Rather, the film reveals itself in snippets and expressions that are open to interpretation โ consciousnesses that appear to transfer between characters, a glitching cricketer bowling against no batsman, vast bucolic landscapes entirely devoid of people, a mysterious recurrent goose figure.

Dawsonโs own interpretation of โThe Hermitโ is that โwhatโs actually happening is very fixed. But the only way to describe it isnโt like a sentence, itโs more of a billowing out or a foaming. You couldnโt draw a straight line against it, thereโs no hard edge,โ he explains. โThis is how I feel about a lot of things, and I think a lot of other people do too. From the outside it seems like others are having very crisp experiences and engaged with the world and staying on top of things, but really everythingโs quite soft. In any moment thereโs all these competing things, and just by virtue of being a human youโre in a number of different places at once, which weโre now adding to with phones, virtual reality, social media and so on.
โI wonder if itโs because itโs increasingly hard to keep track of whatโs real, even whatโs fact and whatโs fiction.โ he continues. โIt seems like opinions have to fall one way or the other, and maybe other people really do have those sorts of opinions, but for me that binary way is not accurate, not enough for the different shades of what weโre all going through and the fact that multiple positions can exist simultaneously. You can have three or four contrasting opinions about the same thing and that doesnโt mean youโre a fence sitter, it just means you can see things from other peopleโs perspectives.โ
When it comes to the scope of the recordโs ambition, a complex unfurling across a large amount of physical and auditory space, Dawson took inspiration from the slow-yet-powerful approach of Japanese psychedelic folk duo Nagisa Ni Te, and writers like Thomas Pynchon, Michel Faber and Iris Murdoch. The latterโs The Sea, The Sea, about an ageing and embittered stage actor who retires to a remote coastal cottage, โis fascinating. Itโs kind of dull, but the atmosphere is so cloying. I only started reading Pynchon midway through [making The Ruby Cord], but the scope of Mason And Dixon and Against The Day was inspiring, the bravery of the languageโฆ it doesnโt make any concessions.โ Such writers, he says, gave him โcourageโ to be expansive. Dawson isnโt worried about what people might think about his inspirations, believing that โyou have to put that to one side,โ but as an artist โyou do have options. You have this music which could be more suggestible if you were to take it in another [more concise] direction.โ The Ruby Cordโs long running time โmeans itโs going to be a lot less suggestible and harder to engage with. You should never choose that route unless thereโs a reason to.โ The ambitious books and bands he turned to helped assure him that he had that reason, that โthis is gonna be better if we take the harder route.โ Long-time producer and collaborator Sam Grant, who runs Newcastleโs Blank Studios and performs in Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs, was helpful too; the two repeatedly pushing one another further outwards. โโThe Hermitโ was never gonna be 40 minutes long, but once we got into it I guess we just egged each other along.โ
Grandiose as it is, it is possible to look at The Ruby Cord as part of an even grander creative work. Given that this album is set ostensibly in the future, the fact that its predecessor 2020 was a collection of songs concerning characters in the present (footballing children, dejected civil servants, UFO enthusiasts) and its predecessor Peasant was set in the pre-medieval North-Eastern kingdom of Bryneich, means that they might easily be grouped as a trilogy. On each of the three records there is a track called โNo Oneโ that sticks out among the rest โ each a cut of eerie and mangled static, perhaps the sound of the wormhole through which one travels between the timeframes of the three records.

Again, Dawson wonโt be drawn into a firm answer. Of โNo Oneโ as the song that links the three records together, he says โI guess weโll see if I do it on the next album as well.โ He concedes at least, โitโs a possibilityโ that the three are a trilogy. โI see how theyโre connected for sure. But they should stand alone as well. Iโm not trying to be evasive or anything, itโs just not such a crisp answer.โ The boundaries between โpastโ, โpresentโ and โfutureโ are not as immutable as you might think. On โOgreโ at the beginning of Peasant, a character awakes terrified from overwhelming visions of what sounds like the future metropolis of 2020: โBlinding colours leap along bemirrored tower walls / Stretching as far as the eye can see.โ On โThe Hermitโ, the narrator describes what appears to be a robot, but is in fact an ancient knight who has glitched into the ground like a malfunctioning video game character.
It is telling that the vernacular Dawson uses in his songwriting does not alter much between Peasant and The Ruby Cord, the virtual realities of the latter are talked about in anachronistic turns of phrase better suited to the former. On โThe Hermit: โVaporous shafts of a burgeoning sun / skewer the forest-floor onto a world fresh begun / all in the Name of the Harvestโ. On โThe Foolโ: โI saw Ruth atop a dun Clydesdale in a pilgrimโs caravan.โ Similarly, whether in dystopia or virtual reality (the distinction is never clear), there is a similar feel of the ancient and/or pastoral as there is on Peasant. The protagonists of โThe Tip Of An Arrowโ reside in the ruins of a Roman villa, fashioning arrowheads from the skulls of the dead. Lovers on โThe Foolโ meet in โmidnight trystsโ in โalmhouse catacombs.โ Another early idea for the record, Dawson says, โwas that I wanted it to be a simple description of nature, the woods around where I live.โ It is not that much of a stretch to imagine the world of Peasant as existing entirely as a conjuring of this kind of virtual reality, 2020 as an exhibit on โMuseumโ. The three albums could just as easily be an endless looping cycle as a trilogy.
In our hour and a half together on Zoom Dawson is attentive and thoughtful, but there is a sense that he is deliberately holding back from overt explanations about The Ruby Cord, a desire not to be drawn into strict definitions. Whether or not thereโs any truth to my own ideas about how the project is not all that relevant โ the ephemerality and openness to interpretation is the point. Yet from all the fog that blankets The Ruby Cord, one pillar of immutable truth emerges: the record caps off a period of extraordinary creative endeavour. The album might not necessarily be the end of that period โ Le Guinโs Earthsea series was a trilogy that was later expanded into a quintet, he points out โ โbut it is a full stop.โ
Richard Dawson’s new album The Ruby Cord is released November 18 via Domino